Tulpa.info - metaphysics

JGC 9/23/2020 3:50 AM

night

Lmao

3:51 AM

Night shier

3:51 AM

But yeah honestly i was not expecting to faint

3:52 AM

Its a scary experience

3:52 AM

Do not recommend

3:55 AM

Started crying for ice cream lmao

3:55 AM

So what caused that? Dehydration?

yeah, I was pretty young

3:56 AM

maybe 5ish

Rip

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUvfuwldUUQ

Roger Castillo - Being Lived

Roger Castillo - All arising in the Universal Mind

A question on the forum that hasn't had any replies yet: https://community.tulpa.info/topic/16505-can-tulpas-help-with-psychic-stuffin-general/

why is this channel dead lol

Because Aristotle is hard to read

yall need to cast a resurrection spell on it

8:28 PM

Maybe I should start

8:31 PM

Hows this for a magic trick.... @Orhu

Pretty shitty

8:32 PM

ngl

Lmao

9:07 PM

Mine last night was better

9:07 PM

Summoning Nat

#metaphysics isn't for actual metaphysics, it's for magick, like ghosts are real, astral plane things, tulpas are from another dimension, etc And Shake who talks actual philosophy

10:20 PM

When you see people call things "meta" in the tulpamancy community just know it's shorthand for "nonscientific/magical"

shame

10:48 PM

actual metaphysics are quite interesting

Yeah

Someone explain actual metaphysics for me

1:44 AM

and these are some metaphysical questions

1:44 AM

Physics is stuff like the nature of matter

So the impression I'm getting is that it's 80% of the conversations that go on here (edited)

metaphysics is the study of non-physical structures like "existence" and "time" and "mind" and "nature" and "being"

1:45 AM

as opposed to "liquid" and "solid" and "temperature"

1:45 AM

you can say "temperature is the average molecular speed of a substance", but how do you define "being"?

So actually interesting stuff?

1:53 AM

Do things like meaning, information, concepts fit in?

for sure

2:04 AM

there's a lot of cross over into other branches of philosopy becauuse metaphysics is like an underlying thing

2:04 AM

a lot of other questions will result in people talking about metaphysics

isn't for actual metaphysics

This was actually a big point of confusion for me

2:10 AM

My main question for this channel is: but y tho

Quarantine for people who think tulpas are magic

2:16 AM

"This is the channel for the discussion of metaphysical and parapsychological subjects. Please keep discussion of these topics to this channel and out of the rest of the server."

I mean, I know that

2:17 AM

That's obvious

2:17 AM

why think magic/"metaphysics"/kinesis is real (edited)

Most people have specific beliefs, it's not just one monolith of parapschology

2:18 AM

Like they believe in ghosts, or astral projection, or "sensing auras", or they're into psionics, or [types of] otherkin

2:19 AM

Very many various reasons, and only rarely just because "lol stupid"

2:19 AM

Or "look, sheeple"

Hi I'm actually a dragon trapped in a human body

Although chuunibyou/8th grader syndrome isn't uncommon in the tulpamancy community, it doesn't account for many if not the majority of people with "meta" beliefs

2:20 AM

Often the young ones (under 16ish), yeah

I'm probably significantly older than the magic believers, and predisposed to believing it's all nonsense, based on my personal background

2:27 AM

But stuff like metaphysics and whatnot just feels like carry over from /x/

how old are you?

mid-20s

this place did originate a lot with /x/ threads, that's in the genes

2:27 AM

but not all magic

2:27 AM

magic outdates science

You mean pre-dates it

yeah

The belief and superstitions of magic might predate scientific method, but I'm disinclined to acknowledge magic as real (edited)

I read a good book once, "Magic of Reality", by Dawkins

2:30 AM

it was an illustrated copy I got for sale as a kid, had no clue who Richard Dawkins was at that age

2:31 AM

the last few pages talked about how we can have "magical" experiences within the realm of reality and provable existence, i.e. a rainbow and a sunset and childbirth and love and etc etc is the "magic of reality", and people don't need to rely on things that don't fit well within observable reality to have meaning

2:34 AM

one definition, that Jamie always likes, is that "magic is getting something for nothing" Like, if you have a cake recipe that needs an egg in it, but you say some magic words in place of an egg and then the cake appears even though you have 0 eggs, that'd be magic Because at no point did the actual work that needs to have happened to make the cake have that ingredient, there's no logic between saying words and an egg being in a cake

2:35 AM

The "magic" in a sunset in that case would be that we just enjoy existence or something like that, or other abstract concepts like "aesthetic appreciation" or "valuing nature" There's not really a direct logic between "There is a sun and I can perceive it with my eyes" to the mystical overwhelming feeling someone might get seeing a sunset so it can feel "magical" although it's not really "parapsychology"

2:36 AM

saying "magic isn't real" is just really too simplified in my eyes

2:37 AM

I think a lot of things, like runestones or tarot cards, aren't really "magic" as in they don't have any special magical properties- they are rocks with things caved into them, they are paper with pictures on them

2:37 AM

But they are more than that, because of the highly complex and abstract processes of the human mind

2:37 AM

Magic is in our heads, but the stuff inside our heads is the most meaningful, not the least (edited)

I mean, sure

3:06 AM

But that's clearly different from "I can control fire with my mind"

3:06 AM

Unless you're making the argument that only what the individual perceives is what matters

In which case I guess I'd have to disagree if you were.

The belief and superstitions of magic might predate scientific method, but I'm disinclined to acknowledge magic as real

@Zoru It absolutely does. Regardless, being somewhat of a scientist and a natural skeptic myself I keep coming back to this strange admission that there is in fact something magical inherant in the structure of reality. (edited)

6:25 AM

Its just difficult to say what it is. The uncanny duality of all things, the way destiny defies probability, the fact that evil must be granted permission to even exist.

6:26 AM

Many kinds of things are just a bit out of place

6:29 AM

one definition, that Jamie always likes, is that "magic is getting something for nothing"

@JGC Well I guess he never got into alchemy school (edited)

the fact that evil must be granted permission to even exist

The heck are you talking about?

You disagree?

6:33 AM

Its vague, yes, but true

can you provide more of a basis for this hypothesis?

Im not a Christian, but its basically exactly what Genesis explains

6:39 AM

Becoming aware of your own ability to allow it into reality (eating the fruit of knowledge), and as a creature fundamentally prone to being unable to avoid doing so through all your inadequacies, is the recipie for damnation of your species (edited)

6:40 AM

Should we simply choose to say no however, it wouldn't exist

6:43 AM

Its our weakness that grants it permission

Yyyyeeeah I don't think I'm able to see it like that lol

What do you see it as then?

First off we should probably define what we mean by "evil"

6:55 AM

Like I don't get what you mean when you say "if we could choose to say no, there would be no evil"

6:56 AM

But even then

6:56 AM

the fact that evil must be granted permission to even exist.

isn't the same true for "good"?

6:56 AM

As you've said, the universe we experience is dualistic

More vagaries yes, briefly i'd say that true evil, is the collection of willful decisions to bring unnecessary suffering into the world